Fed up with the
lack of appreciation for original work in the Google community and much too
embarrassed by his own ramblings, our author, James L. Beasley Jr., has decided
to wash his hands of this particular piece of work. He has paid me well to edit and post the rest
of this series as I see fit. I feel that
in his honest nature, he wouldn’t mind a bit of objective criticism along the
way. All I was handed for this
assignment was an hour and a half recorded conversation. This is the second part to what I believe he
has already posted under the title Memo
from the Theology Editor’s Desk.
This conversation has been edited due to time and repetitive ignorance. The deacon has found it important to remain
anonymous, so he will simply be referred to as D.
D: I was uh, I was interested in you
and your story…and your situation. I, uh,
you know I’m a believer. I think um, I
think god has my life under his control and he has a ministry for me, and he
has a range of, of an area for me to minister to. This church is in a neighborhood that is real
close by the church, so, so…
J: So you feel like, I mean you feel like it’s your job or your duty to uh, let other people know that… I, see I, I have a hard time, I mean you pretty much, you go door to door to convince other people of the way that you believe?
D: No. Um, we do uh, outreach events like what we were doing last week was a picnic. Just a neighborhood picnic. And we just invite people if they want to come. Um, we had probably two hundred or more there. There were two or three jump houses.
J: But, I mean for what reason? Just community? Just to try and band the community together to get people to know each other?
J: So that your congregation can grow?
D: So that people know that god is here
in, in the area. That people that
represent him…
J: You use the word “know” like that’s
a definite though. You use the word
“know” like; I mean when you use the word “know” you are, you are stating a
fact. A well-known, unarguable fact, and
that’s not the case when it comes to any religion. I mean because there are so many
unknowns. The whole religion aspect, the
whole religious industrial complex is nothing but based on the unknown.
D: Well I mean, I could argue with, we
could, we could parch every word that we speak, and I could question the
existence of the religious industrial complex.
You apparently believe in that.
I, I don’t. Um, what, what we do
is, um, we do, you know, that church is planted fifty-five year, so the church
is planted there. Churches have this um,
this instruction from Jesus. Go and make
disciples of all kinds of people.
Baptize them in the name of the father, the son, the Holy Spirit and
teach them how um, Jesus lived. Teach
them what he commanded to live by and it’s what he called, Jesus called
abundant life. It’s, it’s a life um, in
fellowship with god, fellowship with other people. It’s a life that’s ruled by, you love god,
you love your neighbor and those are the big broad commands. You can’t go wrong by doing those two things
and, and you know, not everybody will be happy with that but that’s the, the
best really life probably, um, that is available. So he said go and do this, so churches
started doing that after his resurrection.
Um, you know, the
guys that followed him, there was a band of twelve and then was 120 or so who
followed them and they were convinced that, they weren’t prepared for it. I mean he, he was crucified on a cross, he
died and three days later the tomb was empty and these guys were blown away at
first. They didn’t know what to make of
it. So…
J: I don’t mean to interrupt. You’re telling me all this stuff that I
already know. I mean I already, I mean,
get into some stuff, I mean…
D: Well ok, you’re asking me
why I do what I do.
J: Ok. Ok.
H: So churches started spreading…
J: But you personally feel
like you were called, like what moment, at what moment, I mean…?
I mean that’s another problem is that one religion thinks that they have
it nailed, when there are so many other religions that, you know, have been
around. Especially Christianity is one
of the youngest and they have been divided by so many by just people saying, “I
agree with this but I don’t agree with that so let’s start a new sect.”
D: But they all have.
J: Well yeah, I agree with
that, but I mean out of Christianity, out of all the other religions,
Christianity is one of the youngest and its more prominent here. That’s why I know more, you know,
Christianity.
D: My experience um,
earliest I can remember when I was just a little boy, my parents weren’t really
much into church but they did so once in a while. My first memory of knowing who Jesus was, was
an old, a family bible in a hall closet and I don’t know why my mom showed me
that or if I found it and asked about it, but it was um, you know, just a
picture of Jesus on a cross. And a
little next door neighbor girl talked about god and god’s way and we are
brothers and sisters in god’s way. So in
remember when I was five, um, or so, my mom uh, getting saved at the church
where we went to. She had gotten into
uh, going to church regularly and um, she was baptized so I knew this was
something people did, even though I didn’t understand it. Then uh, just not long after that my dad
started going and he was saved and baptized and there was a revival and I
remember that pretty vividly. The pastor
coming and preaching every night and my dad coming uh, more interested in
faith. Uh and then when I was eight um,
you know I realized it was time for me.
I uh, I understood okay we have all sinned and come short the glory of
god. Jesus died for our sins and if we
will accept his offered salvation, we can be cleansed of sin and we can have a
relationship with him and a promise of ongoing forgiveness and all this.
J: So you have never not
once, I mean, since the age of eight, questioned it or even tried to even see
what other kinds of lifestyles are about or to even maybe take a timeout from
that? You know even the Amish give their
fucking kids a fucking, you know, a uh, break.
D: I went through the
teenage years. I was uh, I was more
caught up in the, you know, um, more of the uh, bent towards teenage living
and, and sin and that kind of thing. Um,
I haven’t really abandoned the faith like some people do. I, I do know all the questions, all the
struggles, you know. Um, I deal with
this stuff all the time. Uh, that’s,
it’s just out there everywhere. The
thing is um, you know, the reason, ok, First Baptist Church planted that church
so there would be a church over here in this neighborhood. That’s fifty-five years ago, to just uh, to
do that thing that Jesus said, make disciples out of people. So…
J: But you’re basing this Jesus
character, that is not even proven to have existed, and my whole thing is, I
like to look at the history of shit, and we talk about Jesus, so from 0 to 33.
D: There’s nobody, there’s nobody that
seriously questions Jesus.
J: Who doesn’t question
Jesus?
D: Nobody really does. Does anybody question George Washington?
J: But if you look at the
history of it from 0 to 33, From Jesus’ lifetime, not a word was written about
him. It took another forty years, to
like 70, for someone to even write his name somewhere. If he was so important, if he did all these
great things, in those seventy years, or just in those thirty-three years, why,
how come it took so long to even write his name in a book?
D: Well it takes a few years
for those things to happen.
J: A few years?!
D: It, it took a few years
for Kennedy to become, to become known and for people to write about him.
J: For who?
D: John F. Kennedy.
J: Bullshit! (Inaudible
gibberish)
D: It really wasn’t possible
though in the first century. They didn’t
have the technology and that kind of thing.
The stories were there. I mean
the thing is that what we know about Jesus, the stories…
J: Factually we don’t know
anything about Jesus.
D: We know as much about him
as we know about Washington or Lincoln or Hitler or other historical
people. They’re so far back in time and
so you have to, uh, recognize that communication was slower and it took a
different form back then but, um, they’re just as historical as you know, um…
J: We can dig up a
Cro-Magnon man that lived millions of years before Jesus did and tell you just
about everything about that son of a bitch!
D: Well that’s all
speculation.
J: Yeah it is. I mean everything you ask, I mean if I don’t
know it, if it ain’t something that I did myself, then it’s all speculation,
cause I’m taking your word on it. I
didn’t do it. If you came to me and
said, “Hey such and such and such and such happened.” I didn’t see it. I didn’t witness it. I’m taking your word on it. Unless I did it with my own hands or
witnessed it with the five senses that I have, you know, it’s all speculation.
D: But you can’t even trust
your own mind.
J: Most times no. Hell no.
D: I can blindfold you and I
can say... Ok James, get ready. I’m
fixing to burn you so just brace yourself…
J: Oh yeah and put some ice
on my…
D: …and I can touch you with
an ice cube and you know, there’s, there…
J: (Inaudible
interruption)…that’s what I’m more into, is trying to get to the depths of what
actually, and all honesty, I believe in the whole, I don’t know uh, if you have
ever heard of the stoned ape theory, but consciousness came along when uh, apes
lived on the canopies of the jungles, and so they migrated down on the forest
floor. They started rummaging and eating
what uh, ended up being cubensis mushrooms, psychedelic mushrooms and so
therefore the primal all of the sudden became conscious. Not just all of the sudden, but evolved, you
know, into a higher state of consciousness which is more relevant to what we
are now. And among this consciousness,
once you’re conscious and you’re, you’re aware of all the fears around, of all
the dangers, I won’t say fears because fear wasn’t uh, a factor back then but
uh, you understand now that if I fall out of this tree I might die. That big ass cat over there might kill
me. You’re conscious of all the things,
all the time. It’s not just that, I see
it and I’m running, stuff you now.
You’re conscious. You’re
conscious of all the dangers. SO now you
have to come up with this reason to be able to get through everyday life and
not freak the fuck out. And that’s where
religion comes from! And that’s what
religion was based on, is they could say, “Hey ok, now that I’ve got this to
look forward to, all these other dangers are, you know, they’re nothing
compared to the greatness that I’m gonna achieve in the end.” It became, it uh, uh (heavy sigh), I don’t
know what’s the word?
D: Where did you get
it? Where did you get that?
J: Uh, a little bit of
studying from uh, Terrence McKenna, uh and a little bit on my own.
D: Well tell me, tell me
about uh, if you don’t mind uh, ok I was saved at eight years old.
J: Yes sir. I think I was saved at thirteen.
D: I uh, I had this sense of
purpose, of calling, of obligation, of responsibility almost immediately.
J: Really? See I’ve never once. I will grant Christians that. They do and it is, and I hate to use the
phrase ‘ignorance is bliss’, cause I won’t call you ignorant, I mean cause
people believe, I mean it takes different strokes to move the world and that’s
all there is to it. People believe
different things. If everybody believed
the same thing it would be a boring ass world out there. I mean it would just be, but to have
something so, you know, to have what you call “to know”, to know that so
concretely that you are so comfortable with it and your life revolves around
that and you know so concretely that’s what’s gonna happen after all this is
said and done with I mean, I mean that would be amazing.
D: When I, when I said, you
know, these people in this neighborhood, they see consistently that this church
is here. This church helps them. This church cares about them. This church brings their kids to Awana. This church sometimes pays their light bills.
J: Community is good.
D: Over and over and over
they come to rely on that. They come to
count on it. They come to bank on it.
J: That’s bad.
D: But that’s what I mean by
knowing. Just like you say I know um,
it’s hot out there today. Well it might
suddenly change, but it’s not likely to.
That’s what, I mean knowing is always going to be a, a relative
thing. Um, so anyway…
J: But there are some
hardcore facts. If we’re living in the
universe, we’re not, I mean, if you don’t wanna jump into the whole quantum
mechanics and the multiverse shit…
D: I’m not qualified for that.
J: If we’re living in the
right here, right now, there are certain knowns though. I’m a solid object. You’re a solid object. I’m a male.
You’re a male, you know. The law
of gravity. If I walk outside and just
decide to let my feet go, my face is going to hit the concrete. I know that.
D: Yeah, so I mean people
know (church name deleted) and they know (___) um, people have a good,
generally a good opinion about (___) in this neighborhood because the church
has been, you know, faithful to, just been a good presence here…
J: So you’re concerned more
about your church than maybe the religion itself?
D: Nah, I’m concerned about
you. If you really went through this
conversion at thirteen…
J: That wasn’t a
conversion. It was, that’s what my
family did. My great, my great grandma
was one of them. Her husband was a
hardcore, one of those hellfire and brimstone, I never met the man but he…
D: He was a pastor?
J: Yeah. Yeah, in uh, Bassett, TX. I think its Bassett. Bassett or Domino, I can’t remember. It was, my dad, he was a real big influence
on my dad and so my dad was southern Baptist, and his mom was southern Baptist,
and we would you know, we weren’t forced to go to church all the time but you
know, it was ‘Hey you need to uh, to be going to church.’ And of course my whole reason was, being
thirteen, I met a little old girl that went to church and that was my whole
reason. I, I can’t say that any given
day in my life, even through my youth, that there was honestly a day that I
truly believed that Jesus was there with me or anything like that. I went through the steps because my family
did it, up to a certain age…
D: Well I mean um, I won’t
tell you that god woke me up in the night and said that I want you to go to the
home of James Beasley and tell him about me, but I think, generally that’s
what’s this is, um, god getting your attention through me.
J: There’s too many people
around this small ass town trying to uh, convert somebody who seems to be a
demon. I don’t know. There’s a lot of closed minded people in this
town.
D: the thing is um, we, we
will go around and invite people and they will come, maybe they will have fun,
maybe they will listen and some people can come and join our church and get
baptized but, but you know, once in a while, I don’t really get people that
wanna talk like you talk. Most the
people just say thanks and they go on.
Um, but…
J: I thought we we’re
honestly gonna get into a good debate about factual stuff, but I mean I
understand. I mean conversations are , I
like healthy conversations period. I
like healthy conversations with knowledgeable people. There’s nothing more, there’s nothing I hate
more than sitting here with somebody that I would truly call ignorant and try
and hold a decent conversation.
D: Um yeah, I don’t
know. I mean…
J: I’m judgmental. That’s uh, and I, and I work on my
flaws. I honestly do but I don’t uh,
shadow them by any means. I put them out
front and that way I can focus on them a lot.
D: Um anyway, you know I uh,
I see, I see enough um, what I consider answers to prayers that I think are,
that I think god is there. I think he
has answered my prayers. I think that he
is watching out for me. I uh, 2009,
November 2nd um, my wife was in Pennsylvania and she came home and I
picked her up at the airport and we stopped at uh, uh, Cotton’s on interstate,
ate supper. On the way home, we got to
Caddo Valley, I’m on the right, there’s a truck on the left, an
eighteen-wheeler. I cannot believe what
I’m seeing in my rearview mirror. This
headlight on this truck moving over, moving over, surely he sees me. He doesn’t see me. The next thing I know we are stuck to the
front of that truck going sideways up the interstate. I thought there’s no way you come out of
that. Um and the first thing, I mean so
I just, I knew. I didn’t pray out
loud. I just prayed.
J: (Laughs) There’s no
atheists in foxholes. Isn’t that what
they say?
D: (Laughs) Yeah, true but
I’m, you know, I’m far from (inaudible over laughter)…in fact I’ve been, I mean
you know life is challenging enough.
It’s challenging for all of us.
So I’m going through times, not long before that, where I’m saying, you
know, god if you can show me some conformation that I’m where you need me to
be, doing what you need me to do um, I’m ready for it. I didn’t really expect that, but what
happened was this truck pushed us sideways six hundred feet or so up the
interstate. We didn’t run into anybody. We didn’t turn over. We didn’t burn up. We didn’t do anything. That thing finally came to a stop over on the
side and we got out. The people behind
us, who saw it happen, first thing they said was, you know, “God must have some
reason for keeping you alive.” And you
know other people said, “Boy ya'll are lucky.”
I don’t believe in luck. I
believe in providence. I believe that
god takes care of me. He has taken care
of me uh, plenty of times. Keeps me
outta trouble.
J: But how does it work for
all those heathens like me though?
(Laughs)
D: It’s also, ah, he causes
his son to rise on the (inaudible).
J: And I come out and
ungrateful bastard and…
D: I don’t know. I think you’re a little more open than
(inaudible)…
J: I’m open. See I got this idea, I’m 99.9% sure there was
no Jesus Christ. Now I will never say
there wasn’t a creator. We got here some
fucking how. Whether it started as an
intelligent something that sent something a swirl, I don’t know. Whether it was just stardust that collided
together and everything just happened by coincidence, I don’t know. To me I don’t think you necessarily need a
Jesus Christ god to have uh, intelligent design. I mean because if you look at like the
Fibonacci series and the golden ration and phi, all those mathematical, I mean
I’ve heard, I can’t remember, it was either Tesla or Einstein that said that
uh, god wrote the language of the earth in math or something like that. I can’t remember uh, that’s not verbatim or
anything like that but I mean it’s there in sunflowers, pinecones uh, the
nautilus. You know everything; the cycle
of everything is in some kind of mathematical order.
D: So you think that
supports the idea of some creator organized it?
J: Some architect or some
creator of some sort. Some, it had to
have at least some idea. So it had to be
a conscious energy source. That’s all I
can say and apparently an imaginative uh, conscious energy source, cause there
are some pretty crazy, you know, there’s some pretty, I mean and I’m one of
them people that take, I don’t take the sunset and shit like that for
granted. I’m awed by the beauty on this
earth.
D: But what is it, what is
it that makes you question, you, because there’s just, like I say…
J: Religion as a whole has
condemned it for me. Religion, the
actions of all religions from all the hundreds of thousands of years, up till
now, have condemned any sort of belief or any kind of following, any kind of
respectability for organized religion, much the same as government has.
D: What, what is it? Ok let’s just talk about this idea that Jesus
existed.
J: Ok, just a man with that
kind of power that was the son of god?
D: Well there’s nobody
really serious who says Jesus didn’t exist.
Now there’s people who think…
J: I’m serious. I’m just as serious as Stephen Hawkins. I don’t give a goddamn about his credentials
or nothing. I am human just like he is.
D: Stephen Hawkins said
Jesus didn’t exist?
J: Nah. No I’m saying I’m just, I’m, I don’t have to
have the I.Q. or the credibility of Stephen Hawkins.
D: But you really, you
really, really need to have somebody who’s in your camp who says uh, Jesus
didn’t…
J: I’m sure I can gather a
few of ‘em. I know I can.
D: You need to because
there’s not very many people. Educated
people, give me some people who have…
At this point, half drunk and
forever stoned, our author seems to just ramble off names with no research to
prove his point. This happens more often
than not.
J: Graham uh, well graham
Hancock uh, let’s see uh, I haven’t really heard uh, Joe Rogan’s whole theory
on this. Terrence McKenna uh, let’s see,
David Icke. David Icke is a big…
D: Let me tell you what’s a
lot more common. There’s, there’s a lot
of people for centuries who have said, “Now there was a Jesus but he was normal
and he was regular and he lived and he died and he, you had this uh, you know,
he had this following and after he died, they built him up and they made up
stories.” Nobody denies there was a
Jesus. Nobody really serious denies that
there is a Jesus. The, the thing is,
these guys uh, they are a part of history just like Napoleon and Lincoln and
Washington. They’re, they’re real
people. Um, they’re two thousand years
behind us but uh, that’s not very far.
J: Not in the scheme of
things, it’s nothing.
D: These books that were
written about Jesus were written; they started being written during the time
that there were still people around that could remember him. There were lots and lots of other books
written. There’s tons of books out
there, religious books, and the church said, “I believe Matthew, Mark and Luke
and John and Romans and Hebrews…”
J: And they don’t include
Enoch in there.
D: Because they don’t,
they’re fake! You said it’s all
fake. They said no it’s not all fake but
here’s some that is.
J: But how, alright, well
how come in Genesis it talks of the fallen Nephilim and then that’s all they
will give you. Maybe like a couple books
later they’ll, they’ll touch on like how they were in love with the uh, sons,
or the daughters of men and or uh, how they bred with the daughters of men and
that’s only another one little line and then you find this book of Enoch and it
has nothing to do but the Nephilim. I
mean it describes what they did, what they taught the humans, how they bred
with the humans. Why mention it, mention
their name in one part of the book and entice you enough to you know, and not
give the whole story?
D: There’s a lot of reason
why the church did not accept the book of Enoch. Not just because of what it said. The books that they first of all accepted
were books that they felt like, ok John…
Well they believe John wrote this book and John was an apostle. They believe Matthew wrote this book. Matthew was an apostle. They believe Mark wrote this book. Mark wasn’t an apostle but Mark was real close
to Peter. Peter was an apostle. He was there with Jesus, an eyewitness to
Jesus and that’s where this starts. These
guys who they, they knew Jesus personally then they saw him die. Then they saw him alive again and that’s
where, that’s where the beginning trust starts, with people who died sticking
to their story. You can do what you want
to me. I’m not, this is true. I can’t help it. It’s true.
You can kill me if you need to but it’s still true. So you got people like Matthew and Peter and
um, uh, you know John as, those three or four.
You got those other twelve who um, we don’t have any book by them. James, James wrote one, um but the church
knew that they had known Jesus and they were put to death as martyrs you
know. Uh, sticking to their story and
that’s why the second generation of church leaders um, they believe that, it’s
like you knew some guy maybe, maybe your grandpa knew Robert E. Lee. Now I’m just making that up but you know you
would believe what your grandpa said about Robert E. Lee because he lived there
and worked under him. I used to have uh,
an eighth grade history teacher, Arkansas history teacher, who had uh,
supposedly been uh, uh, FBI agent in an earlier life, knew J. Edgar
Hoover. That’s pretty cool you
know. So this is how this uh, New
Testament stuff gets going.
J: But also, and, and that’s
a problem though. Do you believe everything
people tell you? Even if they’re
accredited, I mean the news and our politicians and our medical professionals
and shit, I mean they prove this point over and over again that just because
you have a title or doctorate doesn’t mean you’re any more honest than I am.
D: I think, I think you tend
to believe people you have grown to know and trust. That’s the kind of people these were. Um, people just wouldn’t haul off and trust
this guy because he walked in off the street and said, “I’m an apostle.” They trusted him because they knew him for a
long time. They saw what he did and it’s
kinda, you build up a line of trust, a line of credit with people. I mean and so you know that’s why we have the
New Testament. They kept the books that
they were convinced that really had the truth about the story of Jesus and what
Jesus taught. Uh, of course most of the
New Testament is written by Paul and um, Luke knew him and traveled with him
and uh, saw these things going on and wrote about them. Um, anyway it’s, it’s, it’s the kind of thing
that’s a lot more normal then I think what you are envisioning it to be. It’s just…
A huge leap is made here by the
author in some addled attempt to make an argument.
J: Well I take, you talk
about normal’s ass when you open the book of Revelations and if you wanna read
that like a literal, like god said this shit is really gonna happen. I mean you’re gonna see seven headed beasts
and shit like this and stuff like that then you to go back, revert and take the
whole book, I mean look at the whole fantastical situation.
D: There’s the kind of
literature that’s sort of written in code.
Christians are on the inside.
They understand the code. They
know the symbols. You’re in a time of
persecution. Romans are persecuting
Christians. John wants to give his
churches a message. It’s a message that
says basically this is um, if you remain faithful, god is going to come through
and um, you deliver you one way or another.
Either you’ll go to heaven or you’ll be delivered when he comes,
returns. Um, you know if, if you deny
the faith you will be disappointed and that’s the message basically through
Revelations. Revelations…
J: So it’s more symbolic
than it is literal?
D: It is. It’s like a coded message. Uh, the letters to the seven churches, the
lampstands, you know the beasts and all these things, there things that those
Christians in the first century would have recognized out of the Old Testament
passages.
J: Ok so it’s not nothing
that we really have the knowledge about now, that’s why so many people are
trying to make predictions?
D: People, there’s a lot of
controversy over Relations.
J: Yeah. That’s the book that caught you know, I’m a,
I don’t know, I’m a huge Hunter Thompson fan and he praises the book of
Revelations just because of the literary value it has, and it honestly does if
you look at it as a fantastical story, it’s a fantastical story.
D: But it basically says
what the prophets were saying thousands, a thousand years before that god is
gonna, ok this world is in the grip of sin and it’s gonna run its course and
then god, at the right time, when he’s, when his time frame is up, he’s gonna
call an end to it and he’s gonna clean it all up and start it all over and we
are going into eternity. The Old
Testament prophets believed that and said it and wrote it. Jesus also said the same thing and then John
at the end Revelations, at the end of the New Testament times; he’s the last
living disciple…
J: Was John the apostle, the
same guy who wrote the book of John, the same guy that wrote Revelations?
D: I believe so. Now not everybody does.
J: Yeah not everybody does.
D: Conservative scholars
believe that yeah this is the same guy.
He’s recognized by the church you know; he’s the old man now. He’s in exile and he’s uh, sending a word of
comfort and encouragement to remain faithful to all of these seven churches
there around that uh, that little area.
So um, basically he’s just saying again what those prophets have been
saying for hundreds of years. In the
end, god’s gonna wrap this thing up.
Remain faithful, don’t give up.
J: It’s those drastic fear
measures that they use in that book.
D: It’s bizarre imagery.
J: It’s really just that
book. The rest of the bible is, I mean
it’s not that fearful. It’s not that
fearful. Even the New Testament, I mean
the Old Testament you know, it’s not that you know, those people probably
deserved…I agree with the people that if you can’t handle your shit, I mean you
need to be dead or if you’re a bad person, you know shit like that. I, I believe if you take it, take it like you
do, god did, he was just. He was just
then. The New Testament they say he’s
more forgiven. There’s not a lot of hate
or you know any of that fantastical stuff going on until you get to
Revelations.
D: Well uh, basically
Revelations says that the bad guys get what’s coming to them and if you remain
faithful you won’t be sorry. But god has
always been just, but he’s also always been merciful.
J: You
think so?
D: Yeah,
he doesn’t give us what we deserve.
J: You
think the first original sin we did, we didn’t deserve? We got one warning. We fucked up and then we got kicked out,
banished period. There wasn’t no, “Ok,
alright you know ya’ll fucked up. I
understand. You made a mistake, you got
influenced by this outside source, alright, just don’t do it again.” Nah, that motherfucker said, “Get out! Get out now!
Get out now!” And gave
apparently, woman a lifetime of, I mean a whole, every generation from now
until the end of humanity, have to suffer from menstrual cramps and, and that’s
some crazy vindictive shit going on there.
D: Well,
I mean he created, he created humans perfect.
All he, all he raised is two people.
J:
Ok. Ok.
Timeout, you have to get me straight on this ok. So, ok, in the beginning when he created
people he, he created people perfect right?
Is that what you just said, right?
D: Yes.
J: Ok,
so at that time they had no knowledge whatsoever. Once you gain insight or have a choice
decision then you can’t be perfect.
D: Uh, I
don’t necessarily know how you would prove that one. Ok. There’s
one way you can mess up and only one way.
There’s two of us. I’m Adam,
you’re Eve or vice versa.
J: It
doesn’t matter.
D: Ok,
we’ve got everything we need. We’ve got
everything we could want…
J: But
it’s in human nature to want.
D:
There’s one thing…it’s not in human nature yet.
There’s one thing that, keep it off limits, and ok, god made us in his
image. God has freewill, so god says,
“Ok, you’re gonna be in my image then you have to have freewill, but the only
way for it to be free is there is an option for you to go against what I want.”
J: See
and that’s imperfect. That’s not
perfection. You’re, that makes you
fallible. Therefore you’re not in the
image of god.
D: They
could have said no.
J: But
god would’ve, but god would have never said yes.
D: And
this, and, and, so god has always told you the truth, has always done what you
needed, always been there for you and he says, “Trust me you don’t wanna do
this. If you do this you will be really
sorry, it’s gonna ruin everything forever.
Don’t do this.” And here’s this
serpent or Satan in this form says, “God just doesn’t want you to have fun…”
J: Yeah,
but you said god made them in his image.
He, they were perfect.
D:
That’s what the bible says.
J:
Ok. Ok, but they were perfect in his
image? Would god have been corrupted by
that snake?
D: No.
J: Then
how could they have been perfect in his image if they were allowed to be
corrupted by that snake? They were
already flawed from the get go. If
corruption was allowed to be even introduced to them…
D: Well
I, there’s really again, um…
J:
That’s logic. That’s just plain here and
there logic.
D: Again
I don’t, I don’t really have an answer for you there.
This
is the best stopping point I could find for the first part. Once again, I have done my best to edit the
recording, given no guide. I expect
there to be at least two more parts. I
can only reduce his ramblings so much.
Please do forgive me. Until I can
muster up the strength to finish this rotten assignment, you will just have to
chew on this.
Constantly concerned,
Stockton Riggs
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